In this episode we discuss if two Australian Ministers really need to travel to the United States for the AUSMIN talks in the midst of a global pandemic and also ask the question: how much does the ANZUS treaty really guarantee Australia's security? With Allan Behm, head of the Australia Institute's International and Security Affairs Program.www.tai.org.auHost: Ebony Bennett, deputy director of the Australia Institute // @ebony_bennettGuests:Allan Behm // @mirandaprorsusProducer: Jennifer Macey with help from Lucy Luo, Grace Crivellaro and Holly ForrestTheme music is by Jonathan McFeat from Pulse and Thrum

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