In this excerpt from the CAFE Insider podcast, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance break down former President Donald Trump’s testimony in his civil fraud trial in New York.

In the full episode, they further discuss Trump’s civil fraud trial, including the testimony by Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump’s forthcoming testimony. They also discuss special counsel Jack Smith’s court filing opposing Trump’s motions to dismiss the election interference criminal charges.

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