Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast

Series 4 - Ep2 - John Bertrand Part 2

09.26.2022 - By Shirley RobertsonPlay

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Part 2 of  double Olympic gold medallist Robertson's chat with the skipper of the America's Cup's first ever successful Challenger, Australian John Bertrand.  It was exactly thirty nine years ago that Bertrand, skippering "Australia II" in Newport, crossed the finish line ahead of Dennis Connor's Defending "Liberty", to end the New York Yacht Club's one hundred and thirty two year winning streak.  For the sport of sailing, it provoked a seismic shift in international competition, for the thirty six year old Bertrand, competing in his fourth Cup, it was totally life changing.

"It was Everest, it was the four minute mile.  No one had ever got through that invisible barrier, the Everest of not only sailing, but of sport.  The America's Cup started before the American Civil War, it's remarkable...it was the Everest of sport that was there and was the fascination to many many entrepreneurs, including us Australians."

Robertson and Bertrand begin their chat with a discussion about destiny as Bertrand discusses how his great grandfather was an engineer in Southampton, involved in the building of two of Sir Thomas Lipton's Shamrock America's Cup yachts.  The easy flowing conversation takes in Bertrand's Olympic campaigning, the pair share the unenviable position of both having finished an Olympic campaign in fourth place, before chat inevitably concentrates on the America's Cup campaign of 1983.

Sailing for the Australian business tycoon Alan Bond, Bertrand lifts the lid on a campaign that ultimately led to the design and build of one of the most controversial yachts to have sailed around an America's Cup race course...:

"Benny (Lexcen) then showed us the wing keeled boat and I thought 'oh my god, just give us an equal boat and we'll play the game', .....anyway we went sailing the first day over at Freemantle, and it was just unbelievable, the boat could spin on it's axiss relative to a conventional boat."

Whether familiar with the sporting details of the 1983 America's Cup or not, Bertrand's interview with Robertson is a fascinating and revealing insight into what it took to end the unprecedented one hundred and thirty two year winning streak, told by one of sailing's great story tellers...:

"The full significance (of what we had done) really only became apparent when we got home, and still is...The country stopped...you could not buy a bottle of champagne in Australia the day after the America's Cup....In a survey recently, the most memorable events in modern Australian history, John F Kennedy's assasination, Armstrong on the moon and Australia II crossing the finishing line."

This is a fascinating exchange, as Bertrand discusses all manner of stories, from the pre-race words to the team from backer Alan Bond, to his relationship, post 1983, with defeated Defender Dennis Connor.  The events of September 1983 are now sailing folk lore, but to hear them directly from the man in charge of the America's Cup's first ever successful Challenger is truly inspiring.

An America's Cup Hall of Famer, one of the most decorated sailors of all time, Olympic medalist and multiple world champion, Bertrand's chat with Robertson extends well beyond the 1983 America's Cup, and is a revealing and engaging insight into the life and mind of one of Australia's greatest ever sporting icons. Support the show

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