How do you stand against evil, but not the evildoer? How do you go to war for what's right with love for the people you're fighting? Carvell Wallace talks with legendary civil rights lawyer and activist Eva Paterson. And at long last, he also reconnects with his Aunt Bea — the white woman who partially raised him — for the first time in nearly 20 years.

What can I give? (with Eva Paterson and Aunt Bea)

How do you go forward when the past is breathing down your neck? Carvell Wallace talks to Americans grappling with the state of the union while trying to reconcile his own family's fractured history. If America is an estranged family, this show is our awkward holiday dinner.

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Carvell went to Seattle to record a live episode of the show with visual artist Sondra Perry. They looked at images from her exhibit, “Eclogue for [in]HABITABILITY,” and talked about race, displacement, survival, and overcoming the limits of our imagination. Thank you to the Seattle Art Museum for inviting us! 

Closer Than They Appear LIVE at the Seattle Art Museum, with Sondra Perry

Carvell and Antique Naked Soul went to SXSW last week to perform the show live on stage, and talk about their music, its role in the public sphere, and why musicians and podcasters should always work together.

Closer and Antique Naked Soul LIVE at SXSW

Carvell will be onstage with Antique Naked Soul at SXSW in Austin, TX on Wednesday, March 14, 5-6pm CT. Can’t be there in person? Listen in on TuneIn LIVE.  PLUS: subscribe to Jetty’s newest show, Game of Our Lives.

Closer's coming to SXSW and check out Jetty's new show!

How do you feel about the future? Do you feel hopeful? Do you feel scared? Can we move forward together as a country? In our Season 1 finale, Carvell Wallace reflects on his journey, connects with his kids about their vision for the future, and gathers insight from Alexis Frank, a 27-year old army veteran who wants to make political change.

What can I give? (with Eva Paterson and Aunt Bea)

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