Our friendship with Caresse has been . . . complicated.

When Deconstruction Ends as a Miracle: A Testimony

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Can we be honest? This episode almost didn't happen because The Perrys found themselves in a funk when it was time to record. Jackie admits she’s recently felt as though she’s been holding back the hand of depression.

We Are All Just Jars of Clay

Ezekiel & Kiyanna Azonwu have been married for 15+ years, and in this episode they talk with the Perrys about things like attraction, discerning who to pursue romantically, maintaining intimacy in marriage, and flourishing in Christian community.

A Conversation on Sex, Dating, and Beauty with The Azonwus

Pride is an illusion wrapped in a lie, and it's in each of us. It’s our desire for total independence from our Creator, and it makes us feel good because we feel secure and capable.

Practicing Humility

Preston operates in a number of roles: husband, father, evangelist, apologist, poet... and now, he's added "author" to the list.

How to Tell the Truth

In celebration of a decade of marriage, Jackie and Preston react to their wedding video and reminisce about everything from Jackie’s dress and “flower distributors” to whether or not Preston cried as she walked down the aisle and the reason they were late for their own reception.

When Deconstruction Ends as a Miracle: A Testimony

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