In this episode of Navigating Noise, host Erol Yayboke sits down with Chrissy Newton, Founder of VOCAB Communications. They dive into the world of UFOs and UAPs through the lens of data analysis, emotional storytelling, and government transparency.

Chrissy shares how her team approaches real eyewitness accounts, the surprising psychology behind belief in the unexplained, and how the UFO community is becoming a powerful countercultural force for transparency and change.

They also explore how AI, policy, and fringe science are converging and why PR in the UFO space might be the most unforgiving in the world.

⏱️ Timestamps

00:00 – Intro: The many hats of Chrissy Newton

01:20 – Inside Discovery’s Alien Encounters: Fact or Fiction

02:30 – Evidence, psychology, and the Simon Cowell of UFOs

04:36 – How Chrissy applies data analysis to paranormal

claims

06:34 – A UFO sighting in Toronto: How she verified it

08:40 – Telling people they’re wrong, without gaslighting them

11:00 – The UFO community as a global counterculture

13:39 – Chrissy’s communications work with Jacques Vallée & The Debrief

15:53 – How to do PR in the most skeptical space on the internet

18:53 – Why transparency is the #1 rule in the UFO world

20:36 – Why the UFO community is so passionate

23:24 – Fringe science, funding, and optimism

27:50 – Where AI meets UFO analysis and government policy

29:55 – Why shaping policy might be Chrissy’s next move

31:06 – The surprising people she meets on planes

35:54 – A Winston Churchill World War II nugget you won’t forget

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