On today's episode, Christian sits down with Daniel Grothe.

Daniel is the Associate Senior Pastor at New Life Church in Colorado Springs and as of a few weeks ago, a published author. His new book, 'Chasing Wisdom: The Lifelong Pursuit of Living Well', is a practical look at acquiring wisdom through biblical and relational pursuits. Daniel and Christian speak about overcoming tragedy and crisis (12:20), finding a sage (17:55), our obsession with fame and influence (20:15), and the importance of sabbath and lament (26:30).

You can interact with Daniel on Instagram and Twitter | @mrdanielgrothe and purchase his new book here!

{Intro and outro music composed by Alton Eugene}