In this conversation, Artie Isaac shares his insights on leadership, particularly in the context of chairing groups. He discusses his journey, the skills that have shaped his approach, and the balance between writing and improvisation. Artie emphasizes the importance of doing less as a chair, allowing members to take the lead, and the value of experimentation in leadership. He also touches on the significance of support systems, setting boundaries, and defining personal standards of excellence. Throughout the discussion, Artie's perspective challenges conventional notions of leadership, advocating for a more minimalist and presence-focused approach.  To see links and show notes visit https://francinelasky.com/chairisma/