Andrew Root (@rootandrew)joins Sarah and Dave to think about 'how do we get more young people into church?'. The conversation takes in ideas from 'Faith Formation in a Secular Age' and 'the Pastor in a secular age', his latest work. We talk about institutional anxiety, contemporary society and what on earth a church the young people might want to join could look like.

Sarah and Dave then reflect on what all of this might mean for us today.