In this episode of Signposts, I am joined by my good friend, Michael Card. Michael is an award-winning musician and performing artist. His many books include Scribbling in the Sand, A Fragile Stone, and the Biblical Imagination Series on the four Gospels. In this episode, we discuss his latest book, Inexpressible: Hesed and the Mystery of God’s Lovingkindness.

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A Conversation with Michael Card

Listen in as Russell Moore, director of Christianity Today’s Public Theology Project and Editor-in-Chief, talks about the latest books, cultural conversations and pressing ethical questions that point us toward the kingdom of Christ.

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Confusion and anxiety. Narcissistic tendencies. Spiritual abuses. As the host of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, CT’s director of media Mike Cosper explored how these themes can wreak havoc in a church. Now, he’s sharing his own experiences with harm and healing in church life through his latest book, Land of My Sojourn: The Landscape of a Faith Lost and Found.
On this episode of The Russell Moore Show, Moore hosts Cosper for a discussion of hurt and hope. They talk about Cosper’s work in church ministry, in his book, and while hosting the podcast The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill. Their conversation covers church polity, planting, and pastoring. Moore and Cosper talk about the importance of humility in an era of narcissistic spiritual leaders and discuss the importance of wisdom and suffering in tempering idealism.
Cosper and Moore talk about reconciling stories of hospitality and kindness about figures like Mark Driscoll with the damage and trauma they’ve inflicted on others. They respond to the critique that The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill has made pastoring more difficult and encourage listeners to consider the importance of telling the truth even—perhaps especially—when the truth is hard to accept.
Tune in for a discussion that is honest about the harm some churches have caused and hopeful about the church as a place of healing.
Resources mentioned in this episode include:

The Bulletin


Land of My Sojourn: The Landscape of a Faith Lost and Found by Mike Cosper

The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill

William Carey

“Jon Hamm on the Evolution of Don Draper on 'Mad Men’”

Acts 29

“Land of My Sojourn” by Rich Mullins


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Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton
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Mike Cosper on Church Hurt and Church Hope

"God is never going to betray you—even if the church does.”
So says Nancy French, best-selling author and investigative journalist, on this episode of The Russell Moore Show. French, who is known for her groundbreaking reporting on abuse at one of America’s largest Christian camps, joins Moore to discuss her new memoir, Ghosted.
French talks about growing up in the Bible Belt, where she was sexually abused as a child by her Vacation Bible School teacher. She and Moore discuss the importance of righteous responses to people who have been harmed, the ways institutions too often cover up abuse, and how all of this shows up in partisan politics.
Their conversation highlights the power of love—specifically in the case of Nancy’s marriage to David French—in healing from trauma. Moore and French also talk about French’s experiences ghostwriting for high-profile families such as the Palins and the Romneys. They talk about shifts in political culture, the state of racism in America, and what it’s like to be part of a church family that is primarily made up of people outside of one’s ethnic culture. Their conversation also touches on adoption, online discourse, and the incredible work that God can do through personal relationships.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Nancy French

David French


Ghosted: An American Story by Nancy French

Joan Didion


Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis by J. D. Vance

Flannery O’Connor

Frederick Buechner

“They Aren’t Who You Think They Are” by David French and Nancy French

“What it’s like to experience the 2016 election as both a conservative and a sex abuse survivor” by Nancy French


Curtis Chang“The Four Horsemen: Contempt” (The Gottman Institute)

The After Party


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Executive Producers: Erik Petrik, Russell Moore, and Mike Cosper
Host: Russell Moore
Producer: Ashley Hales
Associate Producers: Abby Perry and McKenzie Hill
Director of Operations for CT Media: Matt Stevens
Audio engineering by Dan Phelps
Video producer: Abby Egan
Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton
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Nancy French on Love, Trauma, and Partisan Politics

Ever since Jonathan Haidt joined us on The Russell Moore Show, listeners have been sending in questions for him. So, on this episode, Russell Moore welcomes Haidt back to the show for a discussion of his new book titled The Anxious Generation, the effects of the digital landscape, and the relationship between mental health and religion. 
Haidt describes how religious communities are taking the lead in providing some protection from mental health problems. He and Moore discuss the ways that modern life lends itself to overprotecting our children in the real world and under-protecting them online. They talk about what childhood is, how it’s been rewired, and the subsequent impact on young people. They consider the unique traits of Generation Z, the power of religious communities, and why people of faith are statistically happier. Moore and Haidt explore the common quest for meaning and purpose, how to shepherd children in a virtual world, and how to account for differences in boys and girls without resorting to misogyny. 
Their conversation also covers the damage of pornography, distractions in worship settings, and how to encourage friends and families to communally steward digital devices. 
Resources mentioned in this episode include:


The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt


The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure by Jonathan Haidt


The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness by Jonathan Haidt

“Jonathan Haidt’s Way Forward for an Anxious Generation” 

Jean Twenge

Greg Lukianoff

Zach Rasuch’s Substack

Émile Durkheim

“Joe Rogan Experience #2121 – Jonathan Haidt”

“Table for Two” by Caedmon’s Call


Pascal's Pensées by Blaise Pascal


The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins


Surprised by Joy: The Shape of My Early Life by C.S. Lewis 


The Digital Fast: 40 Days to Detox Your Mind and Reclaim What Matters Most by Darren Whitehead

Andrew Sullivan

Richard V. Reeves’ Substack


Do you have a question for Russell Moore? Send it to questions@russellmoore.com.
Special offer for listeners: 
Russell Moore will join friends David French and Curtis Chang in Washington, DC for The After Party LIVE! on April 19. As a faithful listener to the podcast, we'd love for you to join us and use this $20 off offer just for listeners! The After Party is a free six-part video curriculum designed for people & pastors alike, and offers "a better way" for Christians to engage in politics. Learn more and buy tickets here — we've saved a seat for you!
Click here for a trial membership at Christianity Today.
“The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today 
Executive Producers: Erik Petrik, Russell Moore, and Mike Cosper 
Host: Russell Moore 
Producer: Ashley Hales 
Associate Producers: Abby Perry and McKenzie Hill
Director of Operations for CT Media: Matt Stevens
Audio engineering by Dan Phelps 
Video producer: Abby Egan 
Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton
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An Update to The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt

It’s time for the quarterly books episode of The Russell Moore Show!
Tune in as Russell and producer Ashley Hales talk about their recent reads ranging from politics to poetry. The two discuss a variety of topics including Augustine’s argument in City of God , how theological convictions become slogans, and the world of Contemporary Christian Music (CCM). Their conversation considers what true joy looks like, why it’s okay not to understand everything we read (even in the Bible), and how books can give us words for our most deeply felt human experiences.
Books mentioned in this episode include:


God Gave Rock and Roll to You: A History of Contemporary Christian Music by Leah Payne


City of God by Augustine 


God's Rascal: J. Frank Norris and the Beginnings of Southern Fundamentalism (America's Baptists) by Barry Hankins


Joy: 100 Poems by Christian Wiman


Zero at the Bone by Christian Wiman


Four Quartets: A Poem by T.S. Eliot


Lutheran Slogans: Use and Abuse by Robert W. Jenson


A Shining by Jon Fosse


The Inferno by Dante Alighieri


The Death of Ivan Ilyich by Leo Tolstoy


The Maytrees: A Novel by Annie Dillard


Additional resources mentioned in this episode include:

Petra

Amy Grant

Rich Mullins

“Christian Wiman’s Work Against Despair” 

George M. Marsden

Eugene Peterson


Music & Meaning with Charlie Peacock

Owen Barfield

C.S. Lewis

J.R.R. Tolkien


Do you have a question for Russell Moore? Send it to questions@russellmoore.com.
Special offer for listeners: 
Russell Moore will join friends David French and Curtis Chang in Washington, DC for The After Party LIVE! on April 19. As a faithful listener to the podcast, we'd love for you to join us and use this $20 off offer just for listeners! The After Party is a free six-part video curriculum designed for people & pastors alike, and offers "a better way" for Christians to engage in politics. Learn more and buy tickets here — we've saved a seat for you!
Click here for a trial membership at Christianity Today.
“The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today 
Executive Producers: Erik Petrik, Russell Moore, and Mike Cosper 
Host: Russell Moore 
Producer: Ashley Hales 
Associate Producers: Abby Perry and McKenzie Hill
Director of Operations for CT Media: Matt Stevens
Audio engineering by Dan Phelps 
Video producer: Abby Egan 
Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton
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’90s CCM, Slogans, and Joy: What We’re Reading

It was November 1, 1973, and Marvin Olasky—a then self-proclaimed atheist and communist—was reading an essay by Vladimir Lenin. Suddenly, Olasky began to have thoughts he couldn’t shake. 
What if this is all wrong?
What if there really is a God?
Within eight hours, Olasky had decided he was no longer an atheist or a communist. He became a Christian a few years later. Olasky went on to become a leader in Christian higher education and publishing—most notably as the editor in chief of World Magazine. 
On this episode of The Russell Moore Show, Olasky—author of 29 books, senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, and affiliate scholar at the Acton Institute—joins Moore to discuss religion, politics, and philosophy. They talk about two of Olasky’s latest book releases: Pivot Points and an extensively updated Moral Vision, which includes a new foreword by Moore. 
Olasky shares thoughts on his conversion, his relationship with George W. Bush during his presidency, and the evangelical embrace of some politicians and rejection of others. He and Moore consider the state of journalism, Christian symbolism in political movements, and the danger of echo chambers. Their conversation covers abortion and the pro-life movement, the Hamas attacks, and American involvement in world politics. 
Olasky encourages listeners to live a life they’ll be glad to look back on, and offers words of wisdom for doing so.
Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Discovery Institute

Acton Institute

Zenger House

WORLD Magazine


Pivot Points: Adventures on the Road to Christian Contentment by Marvin Olasky


Moral Vision: Leadership from George Washington to Joe Biden by Marvin Olasky

Jonathan Edwards

Cotton Mather

John Cotton

“Marilynne Robinson on Biblical Beauty, Human Evil and the Idea of Israel” on The Ezra Klein Show


“Glenn Beck Comes to Town” by Chris Good

March for Life


Living Life Backward: How Ecclesiastes Teaches Us to Live in Light of the End by David Gibson


Do you have a question for Russell Moore? Send it to questions@russellmoore.com.
Special offer for listeners: 
Russell Moore will join friends David French and Curtis Chang in Washington, DC for The After Party LIVE! on April 19. As a faithful listener to the podcast, we'd love for you to join us and use this $20 off offer just for listeners! The After Party is a free six-part video curriculum designed for people & pastors alike, and offers "a better way" for Christians to engage in politics. Learn more and buy tickets here — we've saved a seat for you!
Click here for a trial membership at Christianity Today.
“The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today 
Executive Producers: Erik Petrik, Russell Moore, and Mike Cosper 
Host: Russell Moore 
Producer: Ashley Hales 
Associate Producers: Abby Perry and McKenzie Hill
Director of Operations for CT Media: Matt Stevens
Audio engineering by Dan Phelps 
Video producer: Abby Egan 
Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton
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A Conversation with Michael Card

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