Ancient Wisdom, Modern World: Bret Speaks with Jonathan Pageau

Bret speaks with Jonathan Pageau a symbolic thinker, YouTuber, and carver of orthodox icons. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQ https://thesymbolicworld.com/ http://www.pageaucarvings.com/ https://twitter.com/PageauJonathan ***** Find Bret Weinstein on Twitter: @BretWeinstein, and on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/bretweinstein Please subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAWCKUrmvK5F_ynBY_CMlIA All removed videos can be found on Spotify Video and Odysee: https://open.spotify.com/show/57R7dOcs60jUfOnuNG0J1R https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: http://www.store.darkhorsepodcast.org Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music. *****

Sign up for the Spectator at: https://spectatorworld.com/specialoffer/ Use code: DARKHORSE ***** (00:00) Introduction (02:47) Bret on religions being “Literally false, metaphorically true” NOT “a mind virus” (05:35) Jon’s definition of religion (07:57) Bret – all scientists have faith, i.e. base assumptions, axioms (11:15) Jon’s definition of faith, as levels of understanding (13:58) Spectator Ad https://spectatorworld.com/specialoffer/ Use code: DARKHORSE (15:45) Bret’s article of faith in evolution (17:56) Jon’s refinement: religion is the “patterning” of being (20:07) Emergence is the jump between levels (21:45) Jon’s emergence (23:34) Adaptive evolution and group selection (26:45) Why does cooperation exist? (28:05) Survivability of individual or group or lineage (32:05) Google Vs Catholicism (33:26) Point of attention (35:55) Evolution predicts the behavior of religions (38:46) Richard Dawkins’ memes (42:35) Self sacrifice (45:56) Confessions in a congregation (49:30) Jon on importance of self sacrifice (53:44) Rapist gene (59:24) Geneva Convention (01:00:39) Flip the table on the genes (01:01:49) Purpose of organisms (01:03:13) Consciousness and purpose (01:05:16) Purpose (01:09:15) One homogenous religion (01:13:55) Centralized digital identity and mark of the beast (01:19:59) Genes are self replicating patterns (01:23:19) Bret’s “obsession” with genes (01:25:09) Starting from experience, not genes (01:31:06) Consciousness is recognizing patterns (01:33:35) Consciousness is good (01:39:36) Technological systems are driving us into madness (01:42:59) We need to upgrade our consciousness (01:45:44) Wokeism and COVID measures (01:48:49) Damned if we do… (01:53:59) Religion has predicted this (01:56:39) Gain of function research and fission power (02:01:06) Aiming for a higher good (02:02:33) The atheist’s advantage and heaven (02:07:13) Descendants 10,000 years from now (02:11:14) Building of an arc, remnants, and end of civilization (02:18:56) Update religious texts? (02:20:39) Tools and religion (02:24:39) Is lineage the wrong level of abstraction? (02:29:43) Follow-through tennis analogy (02:35:57) Cynicism around religion (02:40:23) Consciousness comes down on existence and forms identities (02:44:17) Tetrapods and speciation (02:48:40) Identity and purpose (02:50:33) Wrap upSupport the show