Kara and Stephanie Ruhle sit down with Salesforce CEO, Marc Benioff. Recorded live at Code 2021 in Los Angeles.
This interview has been condensed and lightly edited.
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Kara and Scott discuss Google's efforts to avoid paying for news in California, Barry Diller's plan to revitalize The Daily Beast, and Iran's attack on Israel. Then, Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase are out with first quarter earnings. Is the future looking bright for big banks? Plus, Donald Trump's hush money trial gets underway in Manhattan. How will this case impact the presidential race? Finally, our Friend of Pivot is Charles Duhigg, writer for the New Yorker and author of the new book, "Supercommunicators: How to Unlock the Secret Language of Connection." Charles explains why listening is such an important component of conversations.
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Trump on Trial, Big Bank Earnings, and Guest Charles Duhigg

Kara and Scott discuss Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez's showstopping appearance at the White House state dinner, David Chang's chili crunch drama, and Meta facing pushback on its political content restrictions. Then, OpenAI prepares to fight numerous legal battles, but do they have a winning strategy? Plus, Paramount Global's proposed merger with Skydance Media is facing opposition from shareholders. Will the deal go through? Finally, our Friend of Pivot is Isaac Arnsdorf, Washington Post national political reporter, and author of "Finish What We Started: The MAGA Movement's Ground War to End Democracy." Isaac explains why Steve Bannon believes the MAGA movement could "rule for a hundred years."

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OpenAI Lawyers Up, Paramount's Messy Merger, and Guest Isaac Arnsdorf

Kara and Scott discuss Meta's stock continuing to rise, California businesses challenging Gov. Gavin Newsom on taxes, and Elon Musk's robotaxi announcement. Then, Disney successfully fended off Nelson Peltz in a proxy battle, but where does the company go from here? Plus, could Congress be getting close to actually passing an online privacy bill? Finally, our friend of Pivot is NYU history professor and author of "Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present," Ruth Ben-Ghiat. Ruth explains what the autocrats of the past can teach us about Donald Trump.
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Disney's Victory Lap, Online Privacy, and Guest Ruth Ben-Ghiat

Crooked Media’s Jon Favreau joins Kara to co-host! They discuss Trump Media’s stock taking a dive, Jon Stewart saying Apple wouldn’t let him interview Lina Khan, and a new bill in California that could give employees the “right to disconnect.” Then, Louie Swisher joins the mix to talk all things about the upcoming presidential election: bad polls for Biden, an abortion vote in Florida, and disinformation.
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Election Predictions, Trump Media’s Dip, and Guest Host Jon Favreau

In the third and final part of our Future of work series, Kara and Scott chat with Susan Athey, who teaches The Economics of Technology at Stanford Graduate School of Business. They take a deep dive into AI, discussing how it will impact work as we know it, and whether all the doom and gloom is justified.
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BONUS EPISODE: Marc Benioff at Code Conference 2021

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