Award winning actor Paul Giamatti and author Stephen Asma, the hosts of the podcast Chinwag, join retired FBI profiler Candice DeLong in this special crossover episode. Their conversation topics ranged from serial killers to astrology, Ed Gein to BTK. Chinwag can be found at: https://link.chtbl.com/chinwag

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Can Actors Be Serial Killers? A Conversation with Paul Giamatti and Stephen Asma

When a shocking crime occurs, people ask “Why?” Was it about power, ego, or revenge? On Killer Psyche, retired FBI agent Candice DeLong draws on her decades of experience to reveal why these murderers and criminals committed these heinous acts. She will reveal fascinating new details about what drove these people, including cases she was close to. Candice will share specific psychological methods and profiling techniques that experts use to understand the deepest part of the most complex, fascinating, and twisted minds, from the Unabomber to Alex Murdaugh to Mary Bell.   
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True crime

Ethan Crumbley was just 15 years old when he was arrested for killing four students and injuring several others in a shooting at Oxford High School in 2021. When investigators learned that his parents, Jennifer and James Crumbley, failed to prevent the deadly actions of their son, they were charged and eventually convicted of involuntary manslaughter – becoming the first parents in U.S. history to be held criminally responsible for their child’s mass school shooting plot. A landmark ruling last week sentenced them both to 10 years in prison. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by legal analyst Josh Ritter to discuss how Jennifer and James’ negligence led to their sentences, and the impact this case could have on parents in the future.

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Jennifer and James Crumbley Sentenced: Will More Parents Pay for Their Child’s Crimes?

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong digs into a tragic family betrayal: the antifreeze murders. Diane Staudte, a seemingly ordinary wife and mother from Missouri, shocked her community when it was revealed she was responsible for a series of poisonings that led to the deaths of her husband, her son and the hospitalization of her daughter. In a twisted bid for control and financial gain, Staudte poisoned her family with antifreeze–and acted with the help of her middle daughter and favorite child, Rachel

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The Poisonous Mother: Diane Staudte's Antifreeze Murders

In February, former “mommy vlogger” Ruby Franke and therapist Jodi Hildebrandt were sent to prison after their abuse of Ruby’s children came to light. But even with the duo behind bars, new information has made its way into the headlines – including Ruby’s own diary, in which she meticulously documented the abuse of her children whom she deemed “manipulative” and possessed. In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by Jessica Lowther, executive producer, and Cooper Moll, writer and producer of the Law & Crime podcast The Rise and Fall of Ruby Franke. They discuss how Ruby and Jodi’s relationship only intensified their extreme beliefs and behavior, and the revelations from Ruby’s diary.  




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Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt: New Insights on the Dangerous Duo

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong explores the case of Jennifer Pan, a Canadian woman of Vietnamese descent who gained infamy for orchestrating a complex deception that culminated in the murder of her mother and the attempted murder of her father in 2010. Unable to meet her controlling parents high expectations, Jennifer fabricated a double life of academic achievement while secretly leading a rebellious lifestyle. Fueled by a desire to escape her parents' control and inherit her family's wealth, Pan devised a plan to have them killed by hiring hitmen. Candice digs into the myths surrounding "tiger parenting" and explores how Jennifer's upbringing may have pushed her over the edge. 

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Jennifer Pan: Deadly Expectations

When longtime Sherman Oaks resident Charles Wilding stopped leaving his house in 2020, his neighbors became concerned. But what troubled them the most was the arrival of Caroline Herrling, a stranger claiming to be Charles’ trustee, responsible for restoring and selling his home. Eventually, neighbors and authorities would learn that Caroline was the mastermind behind a multi million dollar fraud scheme – and getting rid of Charles was simply the first step.




In today’s Headlines, Candice is joined by LA Times staff writer Brittny Mejia, who has covered the case in-depth. They discuss how Caroline’s scheme was exposed, how she targeted other victims, and where the investigation stands now.




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Can Actors Be Serial Killers? A Conversation with Paul Giamatti and Stephen Asma

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