Recorded live at The National and brought to you by eBay, Episode 2 of Cards in Hand features Rodman (@rodmanpc), one of the premier Lionel Messi collectors in the world.

We talk about his 2016 Select Messi Black Prizm 1/1 PSA 8—why it’s a cornerstone in his collection, what makes it stand out aesthetically, and the story behind his transition from Michael Jordan to Messi.

Rodman shares what it’s been like building his Messi collection as soccer cards have exploded, the differences between club and international cards, and advice for collectors considering a big pivot in their own PC.

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