We have our first ever guest! We hear from Ernest Cleo Grant II, a pastor in Camden, New Jersey with a PhD from Stockton University who has written for publications like Christianity Today and Desiring God, about some of the struggles faced by his church during the pandemic and after the George Floyd Protests. We talk about our favourite bible verses and hear what Ernie he says about being a Christian during these times, and how white Christians can do better in supporting Black people in America. 

If you're interested in Ernest and his church, you can give or learn more at https://epiphanycamden.org/. You can also follow Ernest on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/ernestcleogrant/.

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