Lynne Parker picks the calm out of our chaotic lives with author and former Blue Peter presenter Janet Ellis MBE and comedian Lucy Porter. After two years of Covid chaos, just how do we go about thriving instead of merely surviving? And where is the calmness to be found in everyday life? From Kitchen Discos to quizzing, background noise and clutter to the imposed order of working, and Toblerone treats. There is method in the madness and this conversation proves that finding the calm to be creative doesn’t rely on neatness and organisation. Life is indeed one big confidence trick and our personal chaos is often a great outlet for creativity.

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