The Pickleball Lab Coaching Podcast

EP 1: The "First 4 Balls" Rule, Mastering Your Pickleball Grip & More


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Welcome to the debut episode of the Pickleball Lab Coaching Podcast! Join hosts Joshua Mackens and Elliott Kindred as they break down the fastest ways to level up your game, from the 2.0 beginner level all the way to the 5.0 and even pro ranks.

In this episode, Josh and Elliott tackle the common mistakes that keep players stuck in "rec play" and share the specific drills that actually translate to wins. We dive deep into why strategy could be secondary to execution at the lower levels, why your first four shots—the serve, return, third, and fourth—are the most critical moments of any point - and a whole lot more.

Key topics in this episode include:

  • The First 4 Balls: Why 90% of points at the 3.0 level are decided in the first four shots and how to ensure you’re on the winning side of that statistic.
  • The "Universal" Drive: How one swing can fix your serve, your return, and your third shot all at once.
  • Grip Mastery: When to switch from Eastern to Continental, and the "mind hack" for improving your backhand flick.
  • The Ben Johns Secret: How a bookcase in an attic helped create the best backhand in the world.
  • Choking Up: Is the "Gabe Tardio style" grip the secret to faster hands at the kitchen line?
  • And more!

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The Pickleball Lab Coaching PodcastBy Joshua Mackens