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In this podcast episode, Dr. Michael Lenz introduces Kelly Mahler, an occupational therapist who discusses the often overlooked aspect of our sensory experiences: interoception. Kelly explains interoception as the body's ability to perceive its internal state, which affects emotions, hunger, pain, and more. She shares insights into how recognizing and fostering interoception can improve life quality, reduce distress, and aid in managing chronic conditions like fibromyalgia. The conversation also covers the challenges of those with interoceptive differences, particularly in the neurodivergent community, and the importance of personalized approaches to therapy. Kelly and Dr. Lenz also touch on the scientific backing of interoception and its relevance in both understanding oneself and navigating healthcare interactions more effectively.

00:00 Welcome to the Podcast: Introducing Occupational Therapy and Interoception
00:47 Meet the Host: Dr. Michael Lens's Background and Disclaimer
01:13 Introducing Kelly Mahler: The Occupational Therapist's Journey
01:33 Understanding Occupational Therapy and Sensory Processing
02:44 Diving Deep into Our Senses: Beyond the Basic Five
04:34 Exploring Interoception: The Internal Sense
05:08 Kelly's Personal and Professional Discovery of Interoception
05:57 The Impact of Interoception Differences on Daily Life
13:39 Investigating the Causes of Interoception Differences
16:39 The Real-life Consequences of Interoception Differences
22:12 Improving Interoception: Strategies and Mindfulness
25:04 Raising Interoception Awareness: Education and Advocacy
31:27 Final Thoughts and Resources for Interoception

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When I started this podcast—and the book that came before it—I had my patients in mind. Office visits are short, but understanding complex, often misunderstood conditions like fibromyalgia takes time. That’s why I created this space: to offer education, validation, and hope. If you’ve been told fibromyalgia “isn’t real” or that it’s “all in your head,” know this—I see you. I believe you. You’re not alone. This podcast aims to affirm your experience and explain the science behind it. Whether you live with fibromyalgia, care for someone who does, or are a healthcare professional looking to better support patients, you’ll find trusted, evidence-based insights here, drawn from my 28+ years as an MD.

Please remember to talk with your doctor about your symptoms and care. This content doesn’t replace personal medical advice.*

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