Katy and Katie catch up sober, candid and very midlife. They explore how friendships evolve — from schoolmates to parenting phases — why some last and others drift, the effort (and mercy) required, and the small rituals that keep people connected. Warm, funny and honest — perfect for anyone who’s kept a friend through life’s messiness.

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Listen if you want a laugh and a comforting reminder that friendships don’t have to be perfect — they just have to be real.