Anthony Forster of Essex University in the UK joins the podcast as our first international VC. He describes the values that drive how his university seeks to differentiate and what made it UK University of the Year in 2018. He outlines the quite different issues of government funding for research and flow of international students, particularly from India, that UK universities are facing compared to those in Australia. And outlines the particular challenges that Brexit is bringing. And as a university with no gender pay gap for any groups of staff and a leader committed to leading differently, he outlines a compelling case for attracting and retaining staff being as important as students.