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This is part two of a 3-part conversation with journalist, filmmaker and author Garrison Hayes on Black people and the Christian church. Garrison has made some interesting video essays on why Black people by and large continue to affiliate as "Christian." 

In this episode, Garrison and I get into a bit of our personal stories with faith, and we discuss how our exploration of the racial dynamics of our upbringings affected that relationship. Find Garrison here:

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