In this episode Mike & Heather talk with Nat Peterson about ... pretty much everything! It was originally 2 1/2 hours long, cut down to about an hour!

Some of the things we talk about ...

-singing into a hairbrush
-inherent drama vs learned technical
-A.D.D - didn't start medication until his 30's
-fears and misconceptions around starting our own business
-wrestling obsession
-Nat started wrestling
-started promoting shows (created his own shows)
-songwriting / David Bowie
-church - may the force be with you
-spirituality
-kindness
-"resist a cruel impulse"
-the quest for fellowship
-extremes
-"it doesn't matter how right you are if you're pushing people away"
-addiction is lack of connection, AA forces you to connect with others = waking up and "filling the hole"
-true evil?
-social media and wanting people to like me
-caught up trying to change people's minds
-"oh, I didn't know I could be friends with a liberal"
-"I felt so betrayed by the stereotypes"
-why can't we all get along!
-cheap shots vs the long game
-how to feel good without being destructive

That's Nat singing at the end of the podcast with a band called Reign of Zaius

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