Having a beer with Lenny was refreshing - Brutal honesty about a bygone era of pre-regional rugby, professionalism, amatuer ranks, sponsorship deals and a Wales tour to Zimbabwe and South Africa in '98.

Thats without his ventures in to professional and amatuer Rugy League, and the Welsh caps that followed there too...

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With thanks to the Cardiff Blues for the beers, Blooms Eats on Insta, and Fire Fences for the Music