Matt Bair and Ryan Hedrick delve into the profound realm of spirituality in recovery. They emphasize the importance of finding a higher power in long-term recovery and recognize that spirituality manifests uniquely for each individual. Matt and Ryan share personal insights into understanding spirituality's role in recovery, fostering a supportive environment for spiritual growth, and remaining open-minded to diverse spiritual concepts.

Guest: Ervin Lee from Beer to the Bible Podcast

Ervin Lee, once entrenched in severe alcoholism despite outward success, found redemption and spiritual awakening through rehab. His journey led him to embrace faith and sobriety, and he is now dedicating himself to guiding others through similar struggles. Ervin emphasizes the transformative power of spirituality, utilizing a "spiritual sobriety kit" comprising exercise, prayer, and biblical reflection. He co-founded Hampton Ministries and offered support and guidance to those seeking sobriety and spiritual wellness.

Time Stamps and Discussions:

12:02 - 13:32 -  The First Step in Overcoming Spiritual Hurdles

Introduction to Ervin Lee. Discussion on overcoming hurdles when an addict rejects spiritual concepts. Ervin shares a pivotal moment of empathy from a pastor post-treatment, highlighting empathy as the initial step.

13:50 - 15:30 - Addressing Atheism in Addiction Recovery

Addressing the challenge of conversing with atheists, particularly addicts, Ervin emphasizes honesty and looking beyond oneself for healing. He underscores the external source of healing.

16:00 - 17:23 - The Crucial Role of the Twelve Steps in Any Addiction Recovery

Importance of the twelve steps in recovery, applicable to any addiction. Founders' beliefs and working the steps are deemed crucial for sustainable recovery.

18:04 - 19:25 - Spiritual Work in Recovery Beyond Religious Constructs

Delving into inner turmoil and the significance of spiritual work in recovery. Ervin emphasizes the necessity of developing a relationship with a higher power, distinct from religious institutions.

19:56 - 22:00 -  Redefining Spiritual Concepts for Sobriety

Reconceptualizing God as a relationship rather than a religious construct, Ervin addresses misconceptions, asserts God is love, and advocates vulnerability in belief.

22:36 - 24:00 - Changing Environments and Honest Conversations: Practical Tips for Recovery

Practical tips for altering environments, including nature-based activities and honest conversations with loved ones, to aid recovery.

Resources: 

Our guest was Ervin Lee of Hampton Ministries; find him on X, @ervinlee09. Instagram and Tik Toc, @frombeertothebible.

He’s on YouTube as well.

The Gift of Doubting God | Part 3 (youtube.com)

Matt: Social  X/Insta: @sobriety_pod, like us and subscribe.

Ryan: aa.intergroup.org/meetings, Meetings (virtual-na.org)

Suicide Prevention Hotline: (800) 273-8255 (24/7)

Al-Anon.org

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