In this conversation, Jessica Danel speaks with Kate Mageau, author of 'The Rose-Colored Glasses,' about her personal journey through an abusive relationship and her subsequent work as a therapist. They discuss the complexities of toxic relationships, the importance of support systems, and the challenges individuals face when trying to leave such situations. Kate shares insights on emotional abuse, the role of self-esteem, and practical steps for seeking help. The conversation also touches on the healing power of writing and the broader implications of toxic dynamics in various aspects of life.