Banks and Doug interview musician/composer Charlie Looker. The topics range from his newest release (2020s Sparta by Psalm Zero), medieval music, and philosophy. At just over 2 hours, this is the longest trip to the frown room in recorded history. 

Doug: https://www.instagram.com/doogleversedraws/

Banks: https://banksdaniels.bandcamp.com/

Intro music by Anthony Nelson of Inpathos

Check out their music here: https://inpathos.bandcamp.com/album/divinity