Scientist Paul McCarney runs the Hunt to Eat podcast and regularly engages with Blood Origins about the issues surrounding hunting and how we message on it. In the lead up to a controversial conversation he had on his own podcast with the head of HSUS Government Affairs about the California Black Bear petition, he approached Robbie for advice, and he joins Robbie today to talk about the conversation, why it is important to keep an open mind, and more.

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Music: Migration by Ian Post (Winter Solstice), licensed through artlist.io

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