In this episode there is an unplanned Sonny Rollins thread running through both interviews - the first one with the wonderful saxophonist Helena Kay - where we talk about how they got into jazz and saxophone, the role of Sonny Rollins in making them the saxophonist they are today, plus reasons for moving back to Scotland, awards and how much they want to win, plus how to regain top spot on the Scottish Jazz Power Couple Chart. and the second with Rob Cope from The Jazz Podcast telling us How to Jazz Podcast, what it was like interviewing Sonny Rollins and much more!