Mentorship goes beyond teaching and friendship. It is of holy combination of both. In this episode, Kell interviews one her best friends, Nick Otten, who has been a teacher for more than 50 years. Nick is Kell's mentor, her assistant, her writing and walking partner, but more than anything else, he is her friend. Here they talk about how the practice of mentoring, sacred friendship, and the gift of presence has shaped their lives together and individually.