In this episode we hear about the podcast's new sponsor - Paul Towndrow - saxophonist, composer, educator, musicians, international jazz life coach.  Tom and Mario discuss hat etiquette,  dancing cockatoos, and other stuff. We hear an audio narrated double drum duet between Tom & Stu Brown (nb you can see the video version here and the video version with audio narration v1 here v2 here v3 here). Then Tom interviews the absolutely lovely Ben MacDonald who talks about how he got into playing jazz guitar and is the first person to sit the 'Do Jazz Musicians Have Creative Minds? Test'. The episode finishes with a exclusive preview track from Playtime's upcoming album 'Morse Code Through The Lights' featuring Denys Baptiste. That is all.