What happens when someone who doesn’t even like having their photo taken agrees to sit down and have a completely open, honest conversation? Magic.

In this episode, Lucy Batley joins me to talk about the realities of business, the myths we tell ourselves, and the unexpected turns that shape who we are. From AI to personal growth, from laughter to the moments that leave us speechless, this conversation is all about dropping the mask and seeing what happens.

Because when you create a space where people can truly be themselves, you get the kind of conversation that stays with you.