We kick off 2018 with a truly magical episode, in the sense that "Magic" by the Cars is a fantastic song. Joined by special guest Kevin Smokler, we discuss making rock look easy, polishing your production juuuust enough, and getting over yourself to enjoy a bouncy hook. Plus, we explore the many ways to pronounce "Ocasek" and the secret history of our patron saint, Soikus Paynoot.    Speaking of...Soikus delivers our theme song this week, and our outro is by Fountains of Wayne. Stay in touch via email (talkaboutsongs [at] gmail [dot] com), Facebook (facebook.com/mastas.podcast), or Twitter (@talksongs). And if you want access to special content, then become a patron at Patreon (patreon.com/mastas).

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