Jeff was joined by former Governor Frank Murkowski. This is his second time on the podcast. Jeff ran into him in Anchorage while his daughter, Senator Lisa Murkowski (R - Alaska) was speaking at a Commonwealth North lunch. They discuss Governor Mike Dunleavy's (R - Alaska) budget veteos, how he dealt with major issues with the Legislature when he was governor, the Alaska Marine Highway system, a bizarre feral cow issue on Chirikof he dealt with when he was governor, and an incredible story about getting a totem pole from Alaska to Japan, and back!