Natsai Audrey Chieza trained as an architect. But somewhere along the way, she realised that architecture was not the point — the material was.

Natsai is the founder and CEO of biodesign studio Faber Futures, co-founder of NPOL , a consumer biotech brand, and a leading voice at the intersection of biology, design, and industrial change.

In this episode, she talks about designing with living systems, why industry needs to stop waiting for bio-based materials and start shaping them, and what it might mean to ask not how we replace what we already make — but what a chair could be if it were grown.

Hosted by Ben Catford.