In this episode of HR Famous, Tim Sackett sits down with Tom McCarty, CEO of OrgChart, to talk about something every HR and talent leader is wrestling with right now: how to design the org of the future in an AI-powered world—without losing your mind in spreadsheets.

Tim and Tom kick things off by unpacking what OrgChart really is (spoiler: it’s way more than boxes and lines). Tom explains how modern org charting gives HR three critical advantages: visibility into what your org actually looks like today, insights that layer in performance, skills, pay and potential, and vision to model what your organization should look like in 1–5 years. Whether you’re at 100 employees growing 20% a year or a global enterprise, Tom shares why staying in Excel is quietly killing your workforce planning.

They dive into the uncomfortable truth that technology and data remain two of HR’s weakest muscles, and why that’s not entirely HR’s fault. Tom argues that HR tech vendors haven’t always made it easy or intuitive—then walks through what “better” looks like when org design, data and decision-making actually work together.

You’ll hear them tackle big questions that every HR leader is feeling in Q4 2025:

How will AI agents fit into your org chart and headcount strategy?

Why you can’t plan the future state of your organization if you don’t clearly understand the current state.

Why CEOs are freaking out about succession and what real org visibility can do about it.

How the best leaders in an AI world won’t be the ones with all the answers—but the ones who ask the best questions.

Tom also shares a simple, no-software-required starting point: how HR can begin making better org and talent decisions just by aligning on the five or six things that should always be considered in pay planning, growth planning, or restructuring conversations.

If you’re an HR leader, TA leader, or C-suite exec planning for 2026 and beyond—and you’re tired of pretending your “org design” is a tab in Excel—this conversation will give you a clearer vision of what’s possible and what to do next.