Audrey Gelman is co-founder and CEO of The Wing, a social club and co-working space for women. Pentagram partner Emily Oberman worked on the brand identity.

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Carrie Mae Weems is a multidisciplinary artist. Her body of work stretches over four decades and across many mediums, but with a singular focus—  depicting the reality of Black life.  

Weems talks about her work, her role in public life, the intersecting crises in the world, and the power of convening people through art to confront big truths. On this season of DB|BD,  co-hosts Jessica Helfand and Ellen McGirt are observing equity by highlighting the “redesigners” — people who are addressing urgent problems by challenging big assumptions about how the world can and should work — and who it should work for. 

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To learn more about Carrie Mae Weems’ work, visit her website.  A write up of Carrie’s Cyclorama in the New York Times.

 Varying Shades of Brown was a project featuring major installations and programs by Carrie Mae Weems across Brown University.

 If you enjoyed this conversation with Carrie, check out Jessica and Ellen’s conversation with Avery Willis Hoffman, the artistic director of the Brown Arts Institute.

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S11E1: How to Throw a Party to Change the World with Carrie Mae Weems

While The Design of Business | The Business of Design is between seasons, we wanted to share with you a recent conversation we think you will find valuable. Previous DB|BD co-hosts Jessica Helfand and Ellen McGirt sat down with Design Observer podcast host and founder of Other Tomorrows, Lee Moreau and Cindy Chastain who leads customer experience and design at Mastercard.

For three days in March, Design Observer and Mastercard leaders gathered with some sixty people—designers and scholars, social entrepreneurs and independent consultants, creative leaders and senior practitioners from across a range of industries—to discuss the current state of everything from collaboration and craft to cultural transformation, technological innovation, and the social and systemic changes impacting the ways we live and work.

The Design of Business | The Business of Design will be back soon with season eleven! To hear more from our archive, find us on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Feed Drop: Design Observer x Mastercard

Decolonizing Design: A Cultural Justice Guidebook is a guidebook to the institutional transformation of design theory and practice by restoring the long-excluded cultures of Indigenous, Black, and People of Color communities.

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S10E12: Decolonizing Design

Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza discuss past episodes featuring Kunal Kapoor and Dori Tunstall.

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S10E11.5: Minisode

Dr. Elizabeth “Dori” Tunstall is the Dean of the Faculty of Design at Ontario College of Art and Design.

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From the Archive: Audrey Gelman and Emily Oberman

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