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“When you are afraid, you’ll take any train that’s leaving the station, even if it’s not going where you want to go.”

In this episode, I sit down with Gavin de Becker, author of the 1997 bestseller “The Gift of Fear” and one of America’s leading security experts. He’s a three-time presidential appointee, and among his security firm’s clientele are people like Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.

“When it is true fear, we get adrenaline, for example—that’s the famous hormone. The less famous hormone is the brain chemical cortisol. And cortisol prepares the body for combat. It sends blood to the arms and the legs, it hardens the muscles, and it causes the blood to clot more quickly in case I’m stabbed or opened up in some way. And that’s a great, wonderful resource to have. The problem is it’s toxic,” Mr. de Becker says.

How have governments exploited and weaponized fear in the last few years? What is it that makes a society irrational? And how can people ultimately take back power from governments?