** This episode may contain content that listeners find upsetting or triggering.

We discuss miscarriage and still birth openly. 

This episode is of two friends chatting about one person's experience of experiencing baby loss. This is their experience, their feelings and opinions and may not reflect everyone's story. 

We talk about Rufus, a beautiful chubby faced little boy born sleeping in September 2021 in Scotland during a pandemic. 

We refer to SIMBA & SANDS