<p>Echo writers James Copley and Joe Nicholson are joined by Sunderland fans Dave Lawrence and Michael Bowers to discuss the latest news stories involving the Black Cats, including last week's shock news that Jermain Defoe has retired with immediate effect.</p>

Echo writers James Copley and Joe Nicholson are joined by Sunderland fans Dave Lawrence and Michael Bowers to discuss the latest news stories involving the Black Cats, including last week's shock news that Jermain Defoe has retired with immediate effect.

Has Jermain Defoe's early retirement slightly tarnished his reputation amongst Sunderland fans?

A weekly Sunderland AFC podcast bringing you all the latest news, views, insight and debate.

Featuring Sunderland Echo writers Phil Smith, Richard Mennear, Joe Nicholson and James Copley.

Head over to www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc for all of the latest SAFC-related news and content.

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A weekly Sunderland AFC podcast bringing you all the latest news, views, insight and debate. Featuring Sunderland Echo writers Phil Smith, Richard Mennear, Joe Nicholson and James Copley. Head over to www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc for all of the latest SAFC-related news and content.

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Has Jermain Defoe's early retirement slightly tarnished his reputation amongst Sunderland fans?

Has Jermain Defoe's early retirement slightly tarnished his reputation amongst Sunderland fans?

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