What if you stopped trying to be the “good guy” in everyone’s story—and started embracing the full spectrum of who you are?

In this episode, I sit down (for the third time!) with my friend, author, and creative powerhouse Kayla Berry to unpack what it really means to be both the hero and the villain in your own narrative. We talk about personal evolution, visibility, jealousy, and what happens when you outgrow the version of yourself that people once knew.

Here’s what we cover:

Reclaiming your “villain energy” without shame

How to stay grounded when people misunderstand your glow-up

What it takes to write your next chapter (literally and metaphorically)

Navigating visibility and family dynamics when you start to rise

Becoming the version of you who can hold more fame, success, and attention

This conversation is raw, real, and one of my favorites we’ve ever had—it’s a masterclass in self-permission and reinvention.

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