In this conversation, my brother Jon and I discuss the complexities of ministry, personal struggles, and the journey of faith. Jon shares his experience growing up in a pastor's family, the challenges faced in ministry, and the importance of understanding one's identity in Christ. We explore themes of addiction, recovery, and the realization that serving God is about relationship rather than titles or expectations. The discussion emphasizes the need for relationship, the importance of stepping back when necessary, and the grace of God in the midst of struggle.

If you are looking for a program that can help you get started on your recovery journey, check out Celebrate Recovery, This is the program that Jon mentioned during the episode.