In this powerful and deeply personal episode, Tayo and Eman sit down with educator, content creator, and cultural commentator Joy Mbakwe for a rich, unapologetic conversation about purpose, parenting, womanhood, and legacy.

From her beginnings as a voracious reader and writer to her current role as an assistant headteacher and mother, Joy shares how her love of books, strong family foundation, and church upbringing shaped her worldview and ambitions. She opens up about the joys and challenges of being raised in a high-achieving household, the pressures of identity, and the lessons she learned navigating Black British womanhood in education and beyond.

The discussion takes a nuanced dive into the state of the UK education system, especially for Black children, addressing disparities, structural bias, and the dangers of outsourcing parenting to schools. Joy reflects on the power of representation in classrooms and the importance of creating safe, nurturing home environments that build resilience, discipline, and identity.

We also explore how marriage and motherhood impacted her career trajectory, the realities of being an ambitious woman in a system not built to accommodate working mothers, and the importance of supportive, emotionally secure partners.

This episode is a masterclass in wisdom, vulnerability, and truth, spanning faith, feminism, cultural capital, and the long-term value of investing in oneself.

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The Bread and Butter by Emmanuel Asuquo & Tayo Oguntonade is not your typical finance or business podcast, it explores real-life stories of how money plays a part in our day-to-day life - with no boundaries, no secrets and no censorship. In each episode we invite you to be a fly in the room when we discuss money taboos, key financial advice and some of the hottest money topics online, often with well-known guests from influencers, athletes to musicians. Together we discuss money in a super relatable way, talk about the impacts it's had on their journey and the role it plays today. Topics will revolve around how money plays a part in parenting, living and working abroad, entrepreneurship and content creation & more!

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