Before there was Donald Trump the politician, there was Donald Trump the TV personality. Before there was Joe Scarborough the TV personality, there was Joe Scarborough the politician.

Their paths crossed often. On this episode, Scarborough reflects on Trump's rise to the White House, the role that the media played in that and how the former president - and his supporters - have changed the face of the party that Scarborough represented in the House from 1995 to 2001.

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