In January of 2016 National Review published a cover story titled "Against Trump," a collection of short essays opposing the eventual nomination (and election) of Donald Trump as 45th President of the United States.

Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, sat down with David Drucker to review the motivations behind that issue - and what they got right and what they got wrong - concerning what was to come in a Trump Administration.

This podcast is a companion to David Drucker's book In Trump's Shadow: The Battle for 2024 and the Future of the GOP and is now available wherever books are sold.

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