Steve Gruber is joined by Ivey Gruber, President of the Michigan Talk Network, for a wide-ranging conversation that hits everything from tech vulnerabilities to Michigan’s hunting season. They break down the recent Cloudflare outage and the AWS failure, highlighting just how fragile our online world really is and what happens when the systems we rely on suddenly go dark.

From there, they shift gears to something a lot more enjoyable: hunting season in Michigan, why they love it, and what it means to people across the state.

The conversation wraps on a serious note as they discuss the latest revelations surrounding the Epstein files and the questions still hanging over the case.