(Part 1 of 2) Sometimes faith just doesn’t fit within the church walls—or it even breaks those walls down. This week we talk with Jon Turney, co-host of the popular THIS IS NOT CHURCH podcast, which challenges mainstream religious narratives and flips a few tables along the way. We talk about so many things we needed two episodes (!), including deconstruction and reconstruction, the religion we’d have if we were lost in space, how empathy changes us when we know people instead of objectifying them, rocking out in the SBC and maintaining friendships with faith leaders we disagree with, the jump from guilt to hyper-grace, and more.

Jon Turney, a former worship and associate pastor, and the co-host of the popular This Is Not Church podcast. Nestled in the tranquility of Northern California, Jon resides with his incredible wife, his three adult children, and a lively assortment of grand pets. Beyond his roles in faith and podcasting, Jon finds inspiration on his 23-acre slice of heaven, where he explores the depths of nature, the cosmos, and his own thoughts. Jon is also the author of the thought-provoking science fiction novel RJ the Astronaut (Quoir publishing). 

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