Guest host Jeff Hartle talks with Kathryn Turman, a pioneer in enhancing and expanding victim services while working at the Department of Justice's Office of Victims of Crime and as Assistant Director of the FBI's Victim Services Division during her long career of public service. They talk about first awareness of the needs of mass violence crime victims, her experience leading the international effort to support victims' families during the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial, and building a professional victim services division at the FBI. They are joined by regular host Dr. Dan Smith to talk about the study conducted by MUSC's National Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center evaluating the services provided to the Flight 103 families.