Outdoor writer and BHA Podcast & Blast host Hal Herring sits down with Kris Millgate of Tight Line Media.

They discuss the occupation of Malheur Wildlife Refuge and penguin walks on ice, being comfortable in the face of danger, Millgate's trajectory in the world of journalism, ecology as economy, childhood and public lands, trapping and tracking grizzly bears, what grizz smell like, predators on the landscape, wildlife management, living in small towns, honesty as the best policy, and much more.