# 135 - Kristen & Jocelyn

Today I chat with Kristen Macdermott who is a therapist that specializes in resilience and Jocelyn Baker who is a ghost writer. We talk about the resilience based parenting program they have been working on, the good and bad sides of the pandemic, the struggles our kids are facing, getting needs met, and much more!

For Kristen & Jocelyn’s program on “Resilience Based Parenting” you can go to http://www.macdermottmethod.com/wotp 

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