Move over murder mysteries, corporate con artists are the new true crime obsession. In this episode, Katie and Marissa dive deep into the seductive world of Silicon Valley scandals and the psychology behind high-stakes deception.

Marissa brings rare insider perspective, having worked closely with Elizabeth Holmes, the now-infamous CEO of Theranos whose empire was built on lies. Katie isn’t new to real-life crime either...her past includes owning a business with the infamous 'Family Feud Killer' (google it) and the woman he murdered (they were double partners in college).

Together, they unpack what makes us fascinated by fraud, how charisma becomes a weapon, and why tech’s biggest dreamers sometimes turn into its darkest figures.

Grab your headphones, pour a drink, and get ready to laugh, cringe, and question everything you thought you knew about ambition, belief, and bullshit.

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